Me and Kingsley have the basic idea of how we want a regional government to be and how it should be comprised. The whole idea of this is to post our basic layout and edit and expand on it from there.

What we have in mind:

Constitution:
Bill of rights
The Regional Council (where all nations participate in)
President and ministers
WA delegate?
Regional military
More to be added later/added when discussions produce tangible results.

Let's discuss this in a civil manner or I'll have to do my admin job.

Would this government be a federation? Cause that is the name of the region.

Federal government dosent work with this bunch, never has never will.

Be better that its UN like system but since its Federation of Dem... not sure.

Just make an assembly to regulate behavior of states among each other and forget about regional government.

I agree somewhat. I don't think ministers and presidents are really going to work here. Name of the region be damned.

I think it would be more appealing to outsiders with the system Lanos and I proposed

Unfortunately you cant work with people who are outside of teh region you have to start with what ya have and we dont have people suited for federal/governmental system.

I tried that already and that only meant I did all of the work on it. And Im not doing it again.

Just as an example. Remember when you were Senate chairman in NLT? After you I was elected and I did double the legislation in 2weeks than you did in 3months?

Or when you were President? You did jack shit you barely read the constitution to know what you can do let alone had any meaningful initiative that could be in the sphere of a political governmental system.

So I say stay out of it because we don't have the raw materials for it, its nothing personal its just the way it is. Instead make a system where nations are gonna be the center of this regions life and make a relatively loose international system that would only provide a simple framework where these nations debate and find a common ground on issues of their interest.

Dont make the same mistake I did with NLT opt for a loose international UNlike system.

What do you exactly mean by UN system?

Create an Assembly where all members of the region have a right to vote and debate, no elections. Give the Assembly powers only in a sphere of intergovernmental affairs meaning regulate in a limited extent basic rules for international trade/transport, atomic or other types of security etc. or other stuff but without the "federal" tax system without a "federal" military forces etc.

And you can if necessary create a Security Council with some limited powers to resolve or act in conflicts among member states. Or other Councils like UN has but stay away from a federal system which would have its own executive.

For example in federal system if there was a conflict the federal government with its own army can act on its own while if you make a UNtype system youd need a coalition of states with the approval(needed unanimity) of Security Council to work together on their own with their own resources.

I actually considered this for NLT when I thought about reopening it.

It seems simple enough, which is good for us since that means we won't need a lot of work and stuff.

Which you know...the council idea we floated around is the same as the assembly you proposed as the legislative branch. Btw, the UN has a secretary general and an assembly president. Now then, who would command the FDR under the UN idea?

Yes I noticed the council/assembly whatever you call it and I agree with it. I just think we should not make a regional executive or if ya have to make it make it almost powerless, mearely as a face of the institution and not a dealmaker/breaker.

As for UN officials they exist but they are in reality severely lacking of power since in UN member states are a center of life and they make decisions and implement the rules. SecGen dosent actually command UN hes more as a ceremonial prop, a local bank backoffice clerk and occasional shoulder to cry for weak (usually socialist) states

As for who would command FDR the answer would be noone since there is not much to command if you dont have a regional military, budget etc. These powers should stay in hands of states unlike in NLT where it resided in elected president of federal government and his ministers.

That dosent mean there could not be military action "on behalf of the region" it just means if there is for example an intervention needed it should be brought up in the assembly/council by states willing to participate and if the council agrees they gain a mandate to do it with their own resources.

And I would not do the Bill of Rights rite now let that be done by the council you just create a framework in what manner regional decisions will be made and let the rest be done by the assembly/council whatever.

Thats what Im thinking anyway.

So you're saying that the SecGen, and maybe in our case the President, will be nothing more than a simple head of state instead of a head of government?

Then we get down to signing on to things. Do we have to sign on to everything you guys pass or are these things voluntary like many UN treaties?

Look, I don't believe this is the way to go. This is a region it isn't the bloody UN.


The government system I propose is including the council but we also have a president and ministers. However the president is seperately elected.

Each political party holds primaries and chooses aa candidate. Then we have the election. The parties have no influence in the council however. So no majority is required.

I honestly only barely skimmed the other messages in the thread. The personal attacks and insults would be why. But they do back up the point I was going to make anyway:

I've been with you lot for about a year and a half and this is, I think, the 5th or sixth region I've been in with you. Even then, many of you were still holding slights and offenses from three regions before that over each others' heads.

I was the first to request dossier space in the forums in my first with this group, now I barely post. I think with KB being the region founder, there may be less likelihood that I find myself kicked out and the region deleted in 2 months, but we will see. I think part of our problem is that we spend weeks or months hammering out some complex government then people are disappointed that it doesn't turn into some multi-player game of Sim City with RP.

On to this region and its government:

We usually host 9-11 nations. At any given time 2-3 seem "active", 2-3 slumber, and the rest kind of coast. We don't need, nor can we support a complex government.

Let us start small, a council. Either a council of ministers, each with a portfolio of responsibility, or an at-large council that directs a minister/president/manager who handles the day-to-day. When the day-to-day gets too much for the council or president, then we can worry about adding on.

A simple working government, will prove less disappointing than a cool, complex one that doesn't work.

Your proposal makes sense as we are small now. We can talk it some more but now Kingsley isn't here due to prior commitments. We'll have to take this up later.

Topic moved to Archives. New thread on RP thread introducing our nations coming soon.

Kingsley is back. Resume discussions.